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today on the show actor comedian and

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director dave foley

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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welcome everyone to another very

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exciting episode of somewhere in the

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skies and i can't believe i'm saying

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this but for the very first time on the

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show exclusively we have with us today

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dave

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well thank you thank you for having me

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on it's a delight i've been a i've been

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i guess the

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long long time listener first time guest

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i guess

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that's i'm extremely honored man i did

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feature you uh a panel that i did with

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you and jeremy corbell and ufo jane on

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the show at one point but this is the

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first time you've actually been my guest

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and of course i had to have my co-pilot

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here a um a fellow canadian like

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yourself

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yeah i've been enjoying your your new uh

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collaboration uh you know it's exciting

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you're the nichols in may of ufos

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we're trying yeah

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we're trying good to see you

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nice to see you

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christy's definitely brought um she came

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guns at blazing i mean she was the one

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to get me elizondo and chris mellon

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after their big article came out yeah

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that was a great interview it was great

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oh it was yeah yeah so we have her to

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thank for that we um we just dropped

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another big story an exclusive interview

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about canadian ufo files which i want to

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get your thoughts on oh i had yeah i saw

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that i didn't get a chance to

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to read that i was going to go oh no

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worries we can definitely um give you

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the cliff notes version um but let's do

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the origin story for our viewers our

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listeners who don't really know um i i

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don't know how they couldn't know who

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you are but your your your dive into the

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world of ufos how

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did this start how did you first get

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interested what made you start to take

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it seriously yeah well i think it's been

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less of a dive into is more uh

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more of a fluctuating

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obsession throughout my lifetime i would

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i guess um

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i mean as a kid i was i was definitely

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very interested in you i mean i was a

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child the tv series ufo was on the air

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um terrible show by the way by the guys

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who made thunderbirds or go uh

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their first live-action show and if you

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watch it now it's fantastic wardrobe but

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other than that it's pretty awful um

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there was also the uh

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roy thinnest series invaders was on at

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the time so it was all you know and and

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i loved all the sci-fi movies like the

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earth stood still i loved the sort of

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utopian

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vision of of aliens

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uh of course a child big breeder of ray

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bradbury as a kid so

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so all those things were interest but

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in terms of seriousness and

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attentiveness it's gone up and down and

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it it took a big jump up around the time

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the phoenix lights

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the roswell story uh the cover-up story

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that was one where i just kept looking

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at it and and then heard the ridiculous

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you know it was flares uh explanation

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the only uh

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nuclear uh

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wing in in the world uh would mistake a

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balloon for a ufo uh right

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everyone everyone have a nap now

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and so the phoenix lights seem like

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exactly the same thing where you know

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the government comes out and says it was

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flares and all the media who were

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covering it a day before ago no i knew

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just after that uh the french cometa

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all right uh which was the french

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military science

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academy and government all working on a

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report on ufos

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came out and said to the whole world oh

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the ufos are real uh and our best bet is

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they're extraterrestrial

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pretty established western government uh

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saying this uh pretty uh strong you know

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um and again uh no one cared

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right right and then correct me if i'm

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wrong didn't they shut down kameta after

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they came out with that conclusion

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it is probably extraterrestrial and then

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they're like no program over done yeah

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yeah well they got their results

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yeah exactly arguably that's what you do

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with the program they get their their

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result and you shut it down um but you

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than we've had

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going on again and then um

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years later seeing uh watching um

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what's what's the term not unimpeachable

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extremely credible sources and and

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pretty serious issue for our time

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right and then i mean were you one of

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these people too when the whole new york

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came out and everything were you all in

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at that point or were you kind of

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with the rest of us like huh what's

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oh i was all in uh

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that when the new york times story came

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already i knew from my some of my

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friends about awesome

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and knew that you were in the know yeah

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and knew that right you knew that the uh

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the larger program

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uh was awesapp and that atip was just

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sort of an offshoot of alzap within the

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uh so i knew i knew the things that you

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know recently everyone's going well we

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because the head of osap hadn't come out

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hadn't agreed to go public yet how did

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you surround yourself then within the

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ufo community dave

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like how did you like find yourself like

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embedded in this group of people that

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now have all this intel right like

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this intel because it's we all find our

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into surrounded by people in the

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community well it started because i was

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texting joe late at night saying joe

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you're going to be so excited i'm i'm

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back from jail that's all [\h__\h] i'm

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right what the [\h__\h]

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and so yeah and there's other things

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i talked about james fox's movies and i

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um the bob lazar documentary uh by this

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guy jeremy corbell and i said there's a

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lot of really interesting compelling

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so after i mentioned jeremy's movie

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jeremy uh reached sort of uh

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gave me a shout on twitter and so we

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and uh and we are you know and then we

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later i actually i remember staying

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staying at joshua tree and reached sort

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of tweeted at jeremy saying look i'm out

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your end of the world uh what should i

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do when i'm out here because he was he

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friends over just like you know

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telling me what what restaurants and

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what tour sites to see and then we

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talking about ufos so we've been friends

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since then we know that joe's the person

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that got you in

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i got joe back yeah yeah

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well back in the phoenix light stage to

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talk about it all the time you know we

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stuck and also i mean i was supposed to

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argue because joe was into sort of the

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uh some of the uh ancient alien stuff

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that i thought was kind of crazy

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uh and i

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argued with him about you know like when

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joe was convinced the pyramids were

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built by aliens

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and i kept and i was firmly opposed to

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that i just kept saying

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it's stone age technology joe

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it's stone age it's there's actually

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just stone masonry uh if the aliens i

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believe the aliens built it if there was

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one

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electric light bulb in there

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you know

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right hey and you're talking to the guy

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who's on ancient aliens but i can say

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yeah publicly like

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dave i'm with you man like we we forget

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the ingenuity and the innovativeness of

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of different cultures throughout the

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world and the parish and the pyramids of

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giza weren't built like like just let's

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build this there's hundreds of years

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of progress you can watch the progress

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you can travel around egypt and see it

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it starts with burial mounds

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then it starts with stepped uh earth

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pyramids then it starts with stone

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stepped pyramids then it started

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eventually gets to the smooth walled

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pyramids of the giza i mean but that

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took hundreds of years for them to

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figure it out

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and you can you can actually walk around

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egypt and and see it

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you can see the progress towards the

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pyramids

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uh so yeah that that's well that yeah

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but could it be could it be no i'm just

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kidding no we're we won't go there we

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won't go there that yeah um that that

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the nazis that the nazis got the v2

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advice from uh aliens that's the other

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one that makes me crazy why would that

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block in

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yeah that's great why would aliens show

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them how to build rockets

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they have gravitic propulsion why would

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they if they want to help the nazis why

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wouldn't they here here's how you defy

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gravity yeah

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yeah take our trash take our you know

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thermodynamic rockets and yeah and good

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luck with that uh yeah no they've the

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aliens just show them how to use

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thousand-year-old chinese technology

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exactly

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the stuff you brought up that got you

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interested is um

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through documentaries and kind of the

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entertainment industry and how

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they have handled this topic whether

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it's through mainstream media or through

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hollywood um you're saying i'm not a

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reader that's what you're saying isn't

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it no i'm not saying that i'm not that's

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what's your favorite what's your

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favorite i'm dyslexic so i'm i am i'm

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i am i'm not a great reader uh leslie

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kane's book i really loved i read that

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um and i finally i finally got around to

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uh now that i'm not being cynical

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anymore nice yeah that's a fantastic

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book i finally got around to reading the

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day after roswell

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kind of oh

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yeah phil of course which i've dismissed

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for years

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and finally read it and uh went oh it's

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so much more rational than it's made out

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to be it's so much you know he's like

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none of these claims seem outrageous

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you know when you actually uh

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don't uh when you're not reading the

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people describing his claims

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right right exactly yeah i i haven't

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made my all made my way through the

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entire book yet but you're right a lot

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of the stuff that he says um there could

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be some truth to it and you know

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unfortunately like everything else with

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roswell we'll probably never

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truly know but um yeah but it's not what

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he was saying he was like he was saying

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we got all these technologies from ufos

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he was saying he he his job was to find

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areas where people were doing research

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in various material sciences

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where some of the materials recovered

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might have helped

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put that push that reef research forward

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you know it's not saying yeah it's not

387
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saying he just said hey here's some

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there's fiber optics

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go ahead make a billion dollars

390
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good luck yeah yeah exactly

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i actually spoke to paul hilliard about

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that yeah i spoke to paul heller before

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like years before he passed about two

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years and he read that book and that's

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what got him into the story as well and

396
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he actually looked at his background

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because he was the minister of defense

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and then he was also going to be running

399
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to be the prime minister against trudeau

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and that was pierre trudeau not our

401
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trudeau now currently but he then read

402
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that book when he was on vacation and

403
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someone gave it to him and then that's

404
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what brought him in but his parallel

405
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timelines

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said that it made sense for him so when

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he read it he went i know he knew the

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kennedys he knew everything that was

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related so for him it made sense and

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when you get you know anybody that's in

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defense saying that their timelines

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match up with what the book says you

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kind of have you know and he obviously

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knew more intel than we would ever know

415
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at that point too yeah and then you just

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look at the people of course he was so

417
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highly connected you know and so highly

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respected and yeah and as i said and and

419
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even you read the book it's a very it

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seems like a it's a very pragmatic

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account of of how we took i got this

422
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stuff i got it i'm i'm supposed to

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hand it out

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that's my job

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and he lists all of the uh you know all

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of the uh key players that he was in

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contact with him that he dealt with

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you know so he's pretty detailed in the

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uh you know in the

430
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you know the personality sites

431
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yeah yeah great yeah

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chrissy um why don't we

433
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we head into the entertainment territory

434
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because i know this is you know

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um kind of

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what you guys chatted about on your show

437
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with dave but i'd love if we could

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expand on that conversation a little bit

439
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in terms of the entertainment industry

440
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and um you know i know dave is um

441
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you've done some stuff on television i'm

442
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a professional entertainer

443
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you are you are you've done just just a

444
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few things that people need

445
00:16:04,069 --> 00:16:03,360
but yeah chrissy please take it from

446
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there

447
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:05,600
yeah we talked a lot about

448
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misinformation to dave and ridicule

449
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because i know that you

450
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started in the community and there was a

451
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lot of ridicule around it have you seen

452
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like what examples in entertainment

453
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um that used ridicule that you thought

454
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maybe was creating misinformation within

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the entertainment industry and then

456
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obviously led to mainstream yeah oh i

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mean i think every uh i think from the

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uh i mean when was when was the decision

459
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made by the pentagon to to uh

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begin publicly ridiculing and

461
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undermining uh the credibility of

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witnesses that was like early 50s right

463
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yeah yeah back project blue book days

464
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yep yeah so it was they went from they

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went from a stance of all right let's

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investigate this stuff too let's make it

467
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seem crazy and make everyone who talks

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about it seem crazy

469
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and conditioned the public to that and

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so um

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[Music]

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so i'd say like going back from the

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earliest you know

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i mean television radio uh that was sort

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of the atmosphere was created that all

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of the people who believed in ufos were

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you know the lunatics who hung out in

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the desert uh waiting for them to come

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down for you know to save us

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um

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and uh

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you and so they uh

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so comedy uh especially in those days

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there was very a strong uh

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tendency towards what i would used to

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call public domain comedy

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uh you know which is like you know every

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every every comedy show we do a scene

489
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where i and a drunk guy sees something

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crazy and then takes the flask out of

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his pocket and goes oh boy

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you know so everyone everyone would do

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the same joke right

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in those days

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i think we've evolved a little bit from

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that we've made comedy a little harder

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now

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um

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but

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at that time

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yeah so you'd go for the low-hanging

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fruit the easy laugh so if there was a

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story about ufos in the news

504
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everyone in comedy would tell their

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jokes you know whether it was bob hope

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or later whether it was johnny carson uh

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or later saturday night live

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uh and it just all went on that that

509
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that smart

510
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intelligent people

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immediately mocked

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the story

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immediately mocked any witnesses derided

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them

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disparaged and uh and and disposed of

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them

517
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pretty quickly uh are you hearing these

518
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alerts on my computer

519
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no no no no

520
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but yeah so i think

521
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uh there was just so comedians became

522
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um an unwitting ally i think to the

523
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government in creating uh the narrative

524
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that uh all ufo uh encounters are the

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the product of deranged minds

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and and

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and forwarding the uh stereotype of the

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uh

529
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yeah you know the of the the hick and

530
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his camper in the middle of the woods

531
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you know

532
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uh with his bottle of moonshine

533
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seeing a ufo

534
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you know yeah and and i gotta say to to

535
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to certain i mean that that

536
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social conditioning is one of the things

537
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that has amazed me most since i guess

538
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even since

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particularly since the new york times

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article

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is the

542
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profound effect that the social

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conditioning has had on on the

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population that even now when you've got

545
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the pentagon coming out and saying

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yes they're real

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you know we know we don't know what they

548
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are

549
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um

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the response to the public is still

551
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largely

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right

553
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that stuff's crazy i don't even wanna

554
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:48,960
talk about that crazy [\h__\h]

555
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you know and just going on with their

556
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day well whatever whatever freak you

557
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know

558
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particularly from intelligent people who

559
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actually are as i said i have friends

560
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who who i know read the new york times

561
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from cover to cover

562
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uh but when i asked him about

563
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:08,720
about the you know these uh

564
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:10,559
ufo revelations from the new york times

565
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,799
and the the the three famous videos that

566
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,720
came out along with it

567
00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:16,080
people i know read the new york times

568
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:17,600
we're going what are you talking about

569
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:19,039
when was this this was in the times i

570
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:20,400
didn't see that

571
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:21,520
and you realize it's the social

572
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:23,440
conditioning that literally not only did

573
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:25,520
they not read the articles

574
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,440
they didn't register that they had seen

575
00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:29,520
the articles

576
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:32,320
because they're so conditioned to just

577
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:36,320
bla block out anything to do with ufos

578
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,200
and that even if it's on the front page

579
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:41,039
yes even if it's on the front page and

580
00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:43,360
you know there's no way they missed it

581
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:45,200
but they did

582
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:47,200
smart people that i know i could talk to

583
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:48,720
them about everything else that was in

584
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:51,360
that issue of the new york times

585
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:52,320
you know

586
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:56,159
friends of mine that are comedians that

587
00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:59,039
are extremely um

588
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,440
tied into the culture

589
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:03,200
um

590
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:04,080
just

591
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:07,039
zero awareness of the fact that that

592
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:08,720
that the story had broken and the

593
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:11,039
pentagon had confirmed it

594
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:12,480
and uh

595
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:15,600
that startled me and i kept thinking wow

596
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:19,200
it really is this a larger danger to be

597
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:22,000
aware of which is how susceptible we are

598
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:24,720
to having our uh

599
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:26,799
i guess our our

600
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:29,120
field of view narrowed

601
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:31,039
by social conditioning

602
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:32,960
yeah and through media and entertainment

603
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,000
i had the same thing too i had a friend

604
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,799
where i was visiting them in la and we

605
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,240
were all chatting and i said i'm like

606
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:42,159
yeah we have like a you know ufo office

607
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:45,440
and you could watch their mind just like

608
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:48,080
like just explode and they're like what

609
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,679
i'm like yeah i'm like i'm like we

610
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,880
haven't been catching up apparently you

611
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:52,400
don't watch any of our work but that's

612
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:57,510
you know i've mentioned it a couple

613
00:22:02,149 --> 00:21:59,919
times on social but whatever um but no

614
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:02,159
it and i could see her mind just expand

615
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:03,919
and she's like i need to know more and

616
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:05,120
it was great because i'm like okay well

617
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:06,559
great like i've opened up

618
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:09,200
your mind and the door now to to learn

619
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:10,640
more but for her it was like okay now

620
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:13,840
this is acceptable so yeah interesting

621
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:16,159
to see her perspective and then and then

622
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:17,520
now what she'll probably teach her kids

623
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,640
and everything else that are that's

624
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:20,240
gonna happen in the years to come right

625
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,120
so yeah i know and i mean

626
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,600
because it's because it's it is i mean i

627
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:27,120
do keep coming up against this where

628
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:30,080
where you you just talk to people and i

629
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:32,240
used to have a friend in high school who

630
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:34,000
joined a cult

631
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:35,120
and

632
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:36,720
the cult he was in they was largely

633
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,679
based on meditation and but they had him

634
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:41,919
conditioned that if you questioned any

635
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:44,559
of the the the beliefs of his cult that

636
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:48,400
he would he would lapse into a trance

637
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:50,000
so you'd basically you'd ask him a

638
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,679
question about his cult and you'd be

639
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:53,280
sitting on the bus talking and having a

640
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:54,720
fine time then you'd ask him a question

641
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:01,430
and he would just stay that way until

642
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:03,440
you backed off

643
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:04,400
and

644
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,760
you could condition someone to to

645
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:11,679
respond that way to information that

646
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:12,880
they don't like

647
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:15,039
oh wow and yeah that's exactly the

648
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:17,280
response i'm seeing from

649
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,240
uh

650
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:20,640
the people i would consider to be my my

651
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:23,440
peers in the world uh which which i

652
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,640
would say are

653
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,400
you know the the smart

654
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,799
left-wing intellectual sort of crowd

655
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,320
that i i

656
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,480
i wrongly believe i'm part of

657
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,640
um

658
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:37,039
and that that that crowds when it comes

659
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,919
to ufos um

660
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:42,480
uh are uh are the same thing as as soon

661
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,840
as you present them with these ideas

662
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:45,919
they don't want to hear

663
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:48,480
you know they go into the trance of just

664
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:50,799
not listening not hearing you can see

665
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,440
the eyes glaze over

666
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,080
and it's it's it's chill it's a chilling

667
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,760
effect

668
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,440
and we should none of us should ever

669
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,360
think that we've escaped it

670
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,360
uh even if we've escaped it maybe on

671
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,600
this one subject there are probably

672
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,279
numerous other subjects in which we've

673
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,120
been totally uh

674
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,840
shut down from thinking about uh things

675
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,919
obviously religion's great at doing it

676
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:15,039
uh

677
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:16,840
at shutting down thought

678
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:20,880
um and politics uh adherence to any sort

679
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:22,240
of political

680
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:23,520
uh

681
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,390
but for us i think it's the most

682
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:32,000
susceptible group in the world i think

683
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:34,559
are are people who consider themselves

684
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,320
to be intellectuals

685
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,760
um

686
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,520
uh and i think you know even i think it

687
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:42,080
was as i said like noam chomsky and

688
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:43,760
manufacturing

689
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,400
uh consent i talked about how you know

690
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,400
that you don't need conspiracies in the

691
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:50,799
left uh all you need to do is create an

692
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:52,720
environment in which it's not acceptable

693
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,470
and uh and the left

694
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,799
the left-wing intellectuals will adhere

695
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:02,640
to those rules

696
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,600
uh absolutely and you will not shake

697
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:07,679
them off of those rules about what you

698
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,760
are and are not to think about

699
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:12,000
interesting yeah you do

700
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:15,440
i think tend to see a lot of uh

701
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:18,559
more right-leaning people uh in this

702
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:21,840
topic of ufos this uh sense of

703
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:24,880
a distrust in the government um yeah and

704
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,200
and whatnot and again like i'm not here

705
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,679
to you know say what's right or what's

706
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:31,520
wrong in terms of

707
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,720
people

708
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,880
yeah that's your job dave yeah you're

709
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,480
the one who's gonna alienate our

710
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:38,640
audience not me no

711
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,200
no pun intended um but yeah you're right

712
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:43,279
i think you know as a

713
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:46,320
also a and my viewers and listeners know

714
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:47,760
this as a

715
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,760
more left-leaning person they they

716
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:52,000
always ask me what how is it

717
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:55,279
dealing with a community who's mostly

718
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:56,559
a lot of them don't have the same

719
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:58,960
beliefs as you and i'm like hey look if

720
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,360
this one topic is the thing that i can

721
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:04,320
like have a civil discourse with them

722
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,600
about um

723
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,520
so be it maybe that'll open the door to

724
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,360
other things or maybe it'll make it

725
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,760
worse i i've yet to see any results from

726
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,919
that but um yeah but i don't know i

727
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:15,600
don't know it's such a profound topic

728
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:17,840
you would hope it could transcend all of

729
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:20,480
that you would hope i hope so it should

730
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:24,320
it certainly um i think um

731
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,600
and again and again i think that's part

732
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:27,440
of why the left dismisses this because

733
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:29,039
they you know again it's part of the

734
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:31,200
cliche the you know the crazy red

735
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,840
rednecks and they're you know in their

736
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:35,440
prepper bunkers

737
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:38,000
um you know so that you know it all gets

738
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:39,919
lumped into one thing as opposed to you

739
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,720
know

740
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,799
maybe these people with their mistrust

741
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:44,240
of the government at least

742
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,919
left them open to hearing this

743
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:47,520
information

744
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,880
you know it may have closed them off

745
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:50,400
from hearing a lot of other important

746
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:51,760
information

747
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,880
you know

748
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:54,159
um

749
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:56,799
you know like about vaccines and stuff

750
00:27:02,549 --> 00:26:59,440
but at least it opened their their minds

751
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:02,559
to this this bit of information whereas

752
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,159
the left that are

753
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:06,480
by and large uh

754
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:07,679
you know

755
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:09,919
our minds are closed to this subject you

756
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:12,080
know and our our heroes our scientists

757
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,679
are mostly close to it's changing now

758
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:15,120
and it is changing

759
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:16,400
um

760
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:18,640
was i just watched uh trying to remember

761
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:19,679
the name of

762
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,559
the

763
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:22,720
it was a podcast uh eric it was eric

764
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:24,080
weinstein

765
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,840
and uh hal put off

766
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,080
we're on a podcast recently with a i

767
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,399
guess a guy who's sort of uh

768
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:32,159
uh i don't know if he's like a protege

769
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:35,120
or student of eric's i don't know but i

770
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:36,720
forget the name of his podcast it's

771
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,679
pretty good

772
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,360
but it's mostly it's mostly a podcast

773
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:41,679
about science and mathematics and but

774
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,240
he's moved into the ufo discussion and

775
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:47,200
dragged eric weinstein into it uh still

776
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,960
kind of kicking and screaming

777
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:51,360
but but even eric wants is accepting the

778
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:53,600
reality of ufos now

779
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:54,799
uh

780
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:58,320
i think i was a little while ago where

781
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,279
he's accepting reality of ufo phenomena

782
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:03,679
uh but absolutely dismissing the any

783
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:06,320
possibility of uh

784
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:07,840
of like the abduction

785
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,640
phenomena uh which and i i gotta admit i

786
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:12,799
i feel bad i actually dismissed that as

787
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,559
well for a very long time

788
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:17,039
uh and then which logically doesn't make

789
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,159
any sense because if you accept that

790
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:20,320
ufos are here and the there's a strong

791
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:21,120
possibility that they're

792
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:22,960
extraterrestrial it would seem kind of

793
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,430
it's you know it is it's hard it's hard

794
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,279
day for someone who has

795
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,120
spent half my life interviewing

796
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,240
experiencers and claimed abductees you

797
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,799
know i can't even pretend to be closer

798
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,960
to an answer of whether

799
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,720
these abductions are happening in the

800
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:45,440
physical realm as we know it or if

801
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:46,720
they're happening

802
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:49,520
at all all i can do is you know continue

803
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:50,320
to

804
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:53,120
ask questions of these people and

805
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:55,520
at least listen to them you know i think

806
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,640
it's it's everyone deserves to at least

807
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:00,880
be heard when it comes to these topics

808
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,679
yeah and it just seems absurd to dismiss

809
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:05,600
it once you've accepted other like once

810
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:08,080
you accept one premise

811
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,880
uh

812
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:10,320
the the the

813
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,679
you know and in fact i remember eric

814
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,279
weinstein this podcast was all upset

815
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,880
about the idea he said well you know we

816
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:16,000
can't just because we accept this

817
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,520
doesn't mean we open the door to

818
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,200
everything you know just so we accept

819
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:22,000
that the ufos these ships are existing

820
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:23,840
doesn't mean we open the door to you

821
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,600
know abductees

822
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:28,080
and it's good why doesn't it

823
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:29,200
i mean

824
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,279
you know once you've at least yeah keep

825
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,760
the door in trouble

826
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,279
right yeah and you can start the

827
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:37,760
conversation yeah exactly you know i

828
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:38,480
think

829
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:40,240
we're dealing with right now the

830
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:43,360
mainstream now accepting ufos exists

831
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:45,200
like just that question yeah you know

832
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,880
with the united states government saying

833
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,720
yeah there's a physical phenomenon

834
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:50,559
happening we still don't know what it is

835
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,200
but um yeah it's real we're gonna we

836
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:55,120
want people to report it we'll look into

837
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,240
it um it's a lot to ask them to then

838
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,159
believe in abductions and by that i mean

839
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,640
the mainstream public but you know maybe

840
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,480
there will come a time where we get

841
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,720
there it's just not right now

842
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,559
yeah and there's like this counter

843
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,320
culture group that's growing you know

844
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,640
there's apps now that if you're in that

845
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,559
community you can go and talk to people

846
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,640
and share conversations and the ridicule

847
00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:19,200
is not it's still there for i think for

848
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:20,840
you know adept advocacies like

849
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:24,399
contactees but they're feel they feel i

850
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,600
think a little bit easier and

851
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,880
lighthearted that they can come out and

852
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,799
talk about it more freely and so you're

853
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,240
getting more of those people happening

854
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:32,159
so i think once we start figuring out

855
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,000
what's going on here we'll probably

856
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:36,240
there is no choice for that discussion

857
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:37,840
not to happen but it's probably going to

858
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:39,760
take i don't know another five years i

859
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:41,679
would imagine you know i might be wrong

860
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,880
but i think it's going to take a little

861
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:44,640
bit longer and also science will have to

862
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,960
catch up to that too i hope so

863
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:49,200
just for the for the uh

864
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,640
out of empathy for the people who have

865
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:52,320
had these experiences

866
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,600
uh

867
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,200
and just the sheer volume of people

868
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:57,120
who've had these experiences

869
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:00,159
uh it's just seems um

870
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,000
close-minded and condescending to just

871
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,080
dismiss it all you know i mean let's

872
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,799
look obviously probably most of the

873
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,640
accounts are not true

874
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,039
and there's certainly a certain amount

875
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:13,600
of of mental illness involved in the

876
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,799
phenomena

877
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,320
but there's a certain amount of mental

878
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,799
illness involved with everything

879
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,760
um

880
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,600
so we don't dismiss we don't dismiss

881
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:22,960
everyone who believes something just

882
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,080
because some of the people who believe

883
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,840
it are crazy

884
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:28,080
you know

885
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,519
which cases dave may i ask uh do you

886
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:33,600
buy into when it comes to abductions i

887
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,360
get asked that a lot and you know i kind

888
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:37,039
of always turn to the the quit

889
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:39,039
essentials you know the documented ones

890
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:41,120
and whatnot but yeah again i've spoken

891
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,799
to hundreds of people so i'm going to

892
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:44,799
have a different answer

893
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,190
i think the travis walton one is is one

894
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,120
of the most compelling

895
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,960
uh you know

896
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:54,480
you know in terms of just

897
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:55,440
you know

898
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,559
the amount of well the amount of

899
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:59,039
documentation corroboration and the fact

900
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:00,880
that he's stuck with this he's stuck

901
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,559
with the story all these years and uh

902
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,240
you know and i think

903
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:08,799
the uh betty and barney hill is pretty

904
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:10,000
compelling

905
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:11,360
um

906
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,480
and i also you know also uh

907
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:16,080
friends who have had abduction

908
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:17,360
experiences

909
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:19,760
and i believe them now and i didn't at

910
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,720
first

911
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,000
um

912
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:24,480
so it's uh

913
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,240
but i would say yeah probably the two

914
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:29,039
the two big famous ones are probably the

915
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:30,559
you know the ones i know the best i've

916
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:34,000
also you know i've also read um

917
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:35,679
um

918
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:37,919
some of uh

919
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:40,240
david jacobs

920
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,950
um

921
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:49,120
uh harvard psychiatrist psychologist oh

922
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:50,880
yeah john mack

923
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:54,640
john max oh john mack great job

924
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,830
he did a great documentary years ago

925
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,200
about uh

926
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:07,279
uh experiencers

927
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,559
that was pretty

928
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:10,559
kind of chilling and compelling

929
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,440
um

930
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:13,360
he brought into the mainstream too with

931
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,519
oprah and so many other people talked

932
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,519
about it because of john mack and for

933
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:19,200
him you know he shed a lot of light on

934
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:21,039
it yeah and he almost sacrificed his

935
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,399
career for it

936
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,559
yeah yeah yeah you're right yeah no he

937
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,720
they tried to get rid of him it's crazy

938
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,559
i know i think it came to like a lawsuit

939
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,720
at one point but um yeah it's crazy to

940
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,480
me to think too like

941
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:34,960
mac was one of the first people

942
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:38,240
on the ground at that zimbabwe case back

943
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:38,960
in

944
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:42,320
94 i believe it was oh yeah and now like

945
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,000
who knows what

946
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:46,240
kind of preserved evidence we would have

947
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:47,919
had had he not gone there and like

948
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:49,840
interviewed all these kids

949
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,760
who had this crazy close encounter

950
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,760
experience at their school

951
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,360
we probably never would have really

952
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:58,080
known about it had he not been there and

953
00:34:01,029 --> 00:34:00,159
cynthia heinz the investigator who

954
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:01,039
actually

955
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,120
originally investigated that case we

956
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,360
really have heard a thing but again john

957
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,600
was like yo i'm on a plane i'm getting

958
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,599
to zimbabwe i gotta interview these

959
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,599
people like that says something when a

960
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,919
harvard psychiatrist is born willing to

961
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,839
do that and i'm trying to think has that

962
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:17,440
documentary come out yet there was a i

963
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:18,480
know there was a documentary in the

964
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,430
yeah i think it was supposed to come out

965
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,200
this year or last year but they've been

966
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:28,159
holding on to it yes i'm excited

967
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,919
yeah the footage that james fox has in

968
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:32,079
his documentaries from from john mack

969
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,359
yes

970
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:35,200
zimbabwe kids

971
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:36,399
is pretty

972
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,359
you know

973
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:39,200
pretty amazing james is working on

974
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:40,879
another documentary too

975
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,280
that has yeah he is that has a similar

976
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:45,280
um i'll just say appeal from what i've

977
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,119
known and what i see on his facebook

978
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:49,359
that he's sharing um but it's i think

979
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:50,399
that's going to be i don't know when

980
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,520
it's going to be released but it's going

981
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,280
to be exciting too i think it has a very

982
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,839
similar feel to the phenomenon but more

983
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,280
in-depth than something similar to the

984
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,520
aerial school event so yeah and that's

985
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,119
it for one thing uh documentary i don't

986
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:03,200
think a lot of people um that was the

987
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,880
secret history of ufos which is a

988
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,720
canadian documentary

989
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,240
and i'm forgetting the name of the

990
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,040
filmmaker uh because i'm old

991
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,440
i've never watched that one it's amazing

992
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:15,280
uh i found some people had trouble

993
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:16,640
getting to watch it because they found

994
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,520
like the the production style of it

995
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,839
felt updated you know where

996
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:24,000
stuff seems modern but you know and but

997
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:25,839
his was a very sort of casual chatty and

998
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,240
he's a guy who used to do uh

999
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:30,880
documentary work for uh the fifth estate

1000
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,359
which is canada's 60 minutes

1001
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:35,280
and the nature of things so he was like

1002
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,960
a serious uh

1003
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,839
uh

1004
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,000
documentarian and journalist

1005
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,400
and he did a a

1006
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:44,800
basically a really solid overview of the

1007
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,520
whole modern history of ufos

1008
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,000
and but on top of that he also on amazon

1009
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:51,680
you can also find

1010
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:53,839
um the addendums to it which i think

1011
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:55,520
there's three addendums to it there and

1012
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:57,839
they're all they're all at least two or

1013
00:36:01,349 --> 00:36:00,079
three hours long and it's just the raw

1014
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,359
interviews

1015
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:03,359
you know with people like bud hopkins

1016
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,119
and david jacobs and uh you know and uh

1017
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:09,440
all like all the people that are that

1018
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,720
they interviewed for for the movie so i

1019
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:14,800
would recommend watching the addendums

1020
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:16,240
just watching the raw interviews is

1021
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:19,810
pretty pretty amazing stuff

1022
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:20,960
[Music]

1023
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:23,119
hey guys ryan here the summer in the

1024
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,320
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1025
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1026
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1027
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1030
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1034
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:51,280
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1039
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,670
do you like stories of the strange the

1040
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:13,839
weird and the unexplained then we want

1041
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:16,720
you to check out jim harold's campfire

1042
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:19,440
the concept is pretty simple jim talks

1043
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,240
to regular people about strange stuff

1044
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:24,320
that happens to them and yes that

1045
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,000
includes ufos along with cryptids ghosts

1046
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:30,560
and head scratchers he doesn't

1047
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,680
exaggerate or play a lot of spooky music

1048
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:35,760
kinda like i'm doing right now the

1049
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:38,640
stories speak for themselves one's like

1050
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,440
a ghost story involving serial killer

1051
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:44,079
ted bundy or the young man who

1052
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,440
encountered an eight-legged demon then

1053
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:49,920
there's the story of an alien abduction

1054
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:52,640
by what could be considered a reptilian

1055
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:55,599
now not all the stories are horrifying

1056
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:57,920
some are actually pretty heartwarming

1057
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:00,880
like a visit from a past loved one or a

1058
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:03,200
peaceful near-death experience

1059
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:06,000
regardless these are true and

1060
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:09,040
fascinating stories told by ordinary

1061
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:11,040
people who've had extraordinary

1062
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:12,720
experiences

1063
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:15,359
tune in to jim harold's campfire on

1064
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:18,880
apple podcasts spotify or wherever you

1065
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:21,280
listen to somewhere in the skies and

1066
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:22,480
remember

1067
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:28,550
well you know since we're talking about

1068
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:32,480
canada um chrissy just had on our show

1069
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:36,240
uh vice contributor daniel otis who just

1070
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:37,359
obtained

1071
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:40,800
over 20 years of canadian government ufo

1072
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:42,880
files insane yeah like of course you

1073
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:44,800
know the story would break now in the

1074
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,200
middle of like another pretty crazy time

1075
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,599
in our history um this seems to be a

1076
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,040
running theme when it comes to breaking

1077
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:53,680
ufo stories but um this is pretty

1078
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:56,160
stunning the canadian government uh gave

1079
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:58,720
him all of this you know he's been

1080
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,280
working on it for a really long time so

1081
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:03,839
uh that's pretty cool but you know

1082
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:06,640
chrissy spoke to him dave about this

1083
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,839
idea of the reason he was able to obtain

1084
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:11,280
a lot of these files from the canadian

1085
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,920
government is because a lot of it is not

1086
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:15,920
classified like it is here in the united

1087
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,560
states because they're not pinning this

1088
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,599
um this threat potential to it which

1089
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:23,839
will automatically increase the chances

1090
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,000
of something getting classified and

1091
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,240
never released so you know danielle

1092
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:30,000
spoke about canada in canada we don't

1093
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:31,839
worry so much about threat is

1094
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:34,400
will they like us

1095
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,839
exactly

1096
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,680
well that's my question for you why do

1097
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,599
you think it is you know in canada

1098
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:41,280
there's this um

1099
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:44,000
you know a it's it hasn't been as big of

1100
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,359
a thing as it has been here in the

1101
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:47,200
united states and b

1102
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,640
um

1103
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:50,800
is it because they don't

1104
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,320
take that threat

1105
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:54,480
a kind of narrative that we are getting

1106
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,000
more from the canadian government than

1107
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,000
we would from the united states

1108
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:00,400
um but we're yeah but the weird thing is

1109
00:40:02,420 --> 00:40:02,000
we're getting it now

1110
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:02,430
um

1111
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:03,520
[Music]

1112
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,880
but for all these years no one's

1113
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:06,480
bothered to ask

1114
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,680
i guess the weird thing about canadians

1115
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:11,920
is uh it's just like you know where's

1116
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:14,000
you know all these you know people in

1117
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,000
the you know the us who are doing

1118
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:18,240
constant freedom of information

1119
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:19,839
uh act requests

1120
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:23,440
um it never occurs to canadians to ask

1121
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:24,480
you know

1122
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:30,079
you you're being rude

1123
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:32,240
don't ask the government something that

1124
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:34,880
might be secret

1125
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:38,960
um so canadians are uh you know we tend

1126
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,599
to be a tendency not to not just to get

1127
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:43,760
as involved i guess and and that sort of

1128
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,720
thing

1129
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:46,160
um yeah

1130
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:47,440
but definitely but definitely i don't

1131
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,920
think yeah we aren't

1132
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:51,520
a nation that thinks in terms of threats

1133
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,960
all the time even though we live next to

1134
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:54,240
one of the most dangerous countries in

1135
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,520
the world

1136
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,440
yeah and i was just going to say

1137
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,160
[Laughter]

1138
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,839
i was going to say too daniel otis

1139
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:03,520
tweeted today and i brought it up it

1140
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:04,720
says today

1141
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:06,079
like and this is movement and it's

1142
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,839
probably because of daniel's article

1143
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:09,599
that put some pressure along with what's

1144
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:10,960
happening in the states in the news

1145
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:13,680
media but he wrote today parliament

1146
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,319
member uh larry maguire mp asked the

1147
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,240
government to prepare a written report

1148
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:20,480
an identified aerial phenomenon

1149
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,359
and uh and security at canadian nuclear

1150
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:25,200
facilities and to share the data with

1151
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:28,640
the new uap program so that's huge yeah

1152
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:31,680
it's huge and i tweeted um daniel i was

1153
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,160
like that's probably because of you and

1154
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:36,240
you know and like it you know you've

1155
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:37,920
your article with vice and he's been

1156
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:40,319
doing a lot within the canadian system

1157
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,599
and i have a lot of respect for him as a

1158
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,200
journalist because he's he literally

1159
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,359
said he's like i just asked and yeah

1160
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:47,280
nobody's been asking so he just asked

1161
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,800
the right questions at the right time he

1162
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,560
said and i'm like you know what

1163
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:52,079
i'm glad you did and like and he's a

1164
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,920
really wonderful journalist yeah yeah

1165
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:55,599
well i mean as i said canadians we have

1166
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:00,160
a tendency to not um we're only now

1167
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,839
taking looks at a lot of the very dark

1168
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,359
parts of our history

1169
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:05,040
um

1170
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,760
and

1171
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,440
20 years ago 30 years ago that was

1172
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,520
unheard of we didn't you know canadians

1173
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:11,599
didn't really

1174
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,720
um

1175
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:14,560
you know there was we were too embedded

1176
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:17,280
in being lovely nice canada

1177
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:20,960
to uh to be very uh self uh

1178
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,599
i guess uh to examine ourselves very

1179
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:24,720
much

1180
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,599
um

1181
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,680
but it's also a big transition for vice

1182
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:29,359
as a publication

1183
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,640
uh since they were pretty derisive of

1184
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,560
the new york times article

1185
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,280
and of the ufo story in general for the

1186
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,440
last couple of years

1187
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,520
uh so it's nice that they're kind of i

1188
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:43,440
guess

1189
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:45,040
changing their stance

1190
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:46,800
and actually looking at the looking at

1191
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,119
the evidence i was just gonna say too

1192
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,200
i'm like do you think that news media

1193
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:53,520
then is influencing politics because

1194
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,000
we're kind of seeing that i'm gonna say

1195
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,880
it's not 100 that daniel otis stuff is

1196
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,560
is but it kind of makes sense you know

1197
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,240
he comes out with an article and then a

1198
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,920
couple days later or not even a week

1199
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,480
later this happens in canada so do you

1200
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:08,319
think that news media is affecting

1201
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,760
politics and it could be around the

1202
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:11,760
world or especially in the states i

1203
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,240
think i think it is it's it's gradual

1204
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:17,359
because the news media is is uh it does

1205
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:20,319
have tend to have such a herd mentality

1206
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:21,599
um

1207
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,640
so it's hard to get people to take on

1208
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:26,640
the story that nobody else is covering

1209
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,920
because it's just an assumption well if

1210
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,599
no one else is covering it must really

1211
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:31,200
be a story

1212
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:32,560
um

1213
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:35,599
so uh so getting people to just sort of

1214
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,560
turn that ship around is slow

1215
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:41,119
but definitely the media it i know i

1216
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,400
don't live in canada so i don't see as

1217
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:44,160
much of it but i'll some i'll see clips

1218
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,680
online

1219
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:48,480
of canadian reports on ufos and they're

1220
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,839
uh

1221
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:51,119
gradually

1222
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:54,319
one by one they all seem to to be uh not

1223
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,520
playing the x-files theme anymore

1224
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,440
uh and that's my real that's my real

1225
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:01,520
gauge of the uh

1226
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,160
seriousness of the of the media

1227
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:05,839
is is

1228
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,599
when when finally we never hear the

1229
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:09,359
x-files theme again

1230
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:12,720
unless we're watching the x-files

1231
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:15,839
exactly right because it's automatically

1232
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,720
because it is it's almost like a

1233
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,640
it's almost like you know the manchurian

1234
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,040
candidate where there's the trigger word

1235
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,440
uh you know to to set the manchurian

1236
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,400
candidate off the uh the x-files theme

1237
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:30,720
was the trigger to turn off everybody's

1238
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,800
brain whenever watching a story about

1239
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:34,160
ufos

1240
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:34,960
you know

1241
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:38,240
no this is silly

1242
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,240
yes oh sit here till it ends though

1243
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,240
oh it's over

1244
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:46,400
by frank spotnitz or whatever his name

1245
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,230
christy um i have some really good

1246
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:54,800
listener questions for dave that we got

1247
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:57,839
so kevin on twitter asks i already don't

1248
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:00,240
like this guy i thought yeah

1249
00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:01,680
i already got a bad feeling about this

1250
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:02,480
fella

1251
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,630
have you ever thought of doing a ufo et

1252
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:12,880
abduction themed comedy similar to say

1253
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:16,000
something like uh people of earth on tbs

1254
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,800
the

1255
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:18,400
show that unfortunately got cancelled

1256
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,920
too soon but yeah have you ever thought

1257
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:21,599
of doing anything like that

1258
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,680
yes but then they made people of earth

1259
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,760
so i stopped thinking about it and then

1260
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:27,359
people of earth failed so now i can't

1261
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,240
sell it to anyone else um which yeah it

1262
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,640
was a really good show i liked it a lot

1263
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:34,000
and um

1264
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:35,280
i would have i would have loved to have

1265
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,400
done a show like i would have loved to

1266
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,800
have been a guest on that show uh but

1267
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:40,400
apparently me hinting about it didn't do

1268
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:41,520
any good

1269
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,880
um

1270
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:44,640
but no it's it's hard i mean i would

1271
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:45,760
definitely like

1272
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:46,960
you know

1273
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,520
to do something um

1274
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,839
on the theme yeah i know also also

1275
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,760
really interested in doing something uh

1276
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,920
non-comedy on the theme too

1277
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,359
you know right

1278
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:59,440
you know exactly it would say a lot

1279
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,400
coming from

1280
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,160
i think someone like you who's known a

1281
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,400
lot for comedy but i've of course like

1282
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:06,880
any artist like there's other sides to

1283
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,599
everyone and i think you know this topic

1284
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,520
is starting to be taken more seriously

1285
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:13,839
there was a short-lived show i think on

1286
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:16,880
abc or cbs that was about

1287
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:19,760
um like wreckage that fell to earth from

1288
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,720
a ufo craft yes yeah then it immediately

1289
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:24,800
got canceled after like six episodes oh

1290
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,680
it did i didn't even know it got

1291
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:27,040
canceled i was watching it yeah it's

1292
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,960
pretty good it was a few

1293
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,800
what was it debris right there

1294
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:32,400
trying to think of the name of it yeah

1295
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,200
um

1296
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:35,359
well an interesting take on sort of the

1297
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:37,359
material sciences

1298
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:40,480
yeah avenue of the ufo story

1299
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,319
yeah i really wanted to see where it was

1300
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:44,880
going but i'll ask hey hey there's

1301
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,839
always netflix or amazon or hulu yeah or

1302
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,599
endless streaming services it could go

1303
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,079
to um well here's another

1304
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:54,720
comedian who we love near and dear to

1305
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,599
our hearts here in the ufo community um

1306
00:47:02,309 --> 00:46:59,359
dan aykroyd no he did not ask this

1307
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:02,319
question i wish i wish but i i've never

1308
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:04,240
talked to dan about about ufos i would

1309
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:06,160
love to sometime that was my favorite

1310
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:08,960
question oh and have i talked about no i

1311
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:10,160
have never talked to dan accurate

1312
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:11,839
although one of my very good friends is

1313
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,000
a man named dave thomas who was one of

1314
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:16,880
the stars of uh sctv

1315
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:20,319
and uh and who wrote the he wrote a dan

1316
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,800
aykroyd movie called spies like us

1317
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,280
uh and this brilliant comedian one of to

1318
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:27,200
me like one of the guys who inspired me

1319
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:30,400
uh most as a as a youngster

1320
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:33,119
um but i have talked to him about ufos

1321
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:34,640
and he's you know talked to me a bit

1322
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:37,200
about some of dan's uh

1323
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,520
you know uh views on ufos i've certainly

1324
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:41,040
seen dan's

1325
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,839
public uh work about ufos

1326
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,079
uh over the years but i've never had it

1327
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:47,839
i most of my conversations with dan

1328
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,000
aykroyd involve me trying to get him to

1329
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,359
remember that he's met me before

1330
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,200
uh so that's it never usually goes

1331
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,359
beyond that it's always a lot yeah we

1332
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:59,839
have mutual friends uh dan we've met

1333
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:01,280
before

1334
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:03,119
and this is oh gosh

1335
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:04,240
yeah yeah

1336
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,920
excellent excellent good work good work

1337
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,359
good one yeah wonderful

1338
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,200
all right have you tried my what is it

1339
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:11,760
like crystal skull

1340
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,040
yeah yeah

1341
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,119
he's an encyclopedia when it comes to

1342
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,359
ufo stories i couldn't believe how many

1343
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:19,599
he knows i remember watching this joe

1344
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:22,240
rogan interview and i was like what

1345
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,160
like i never knew you knew so much about

1346
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,319
ufos dan like i knew he loved the topic

1347
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,240
but i didn't realize he could spit off

1348
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,359
almost every story like he just he and i

1349
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:33,680
makes sense he's a storyteller you know

1350
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:35,119
he makes sense that he loves them

1351
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,640
because ufo stories are really great our

1352
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,960
abduction stories are really great well

1353
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:40,880
and and i believe he's kind of he's kind

1354
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:41,839
of a

1355
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:45,040
a spectrum genius uh for yeah you know

1356
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,720
he has a tunnels and whatever he takes

1357
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,800
an interest in he tunnels in and learns

1358
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:50,800
everything he's one of those guys who

1359
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:53,040
just has some intense focus on whatever

1360
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:54,880
he's doing at the moment

1361
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:57,440
right so you can see where uh

1362
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:59,200
you know that he would just just plow

1363
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,720
into it and he's one of those guys you

1364
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,079
know would he just never care what

1365
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,400
anyone thinks about him about anything

1366
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:06,720
so uh you know he was so he was

1367
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:08,480
obviously way out ahead

1368
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:09,920
of uh

1369
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:12,880
of the curve of a popular of big

1370
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:15,680
figures in popular culture um talking

1371
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,119
about these things

1372
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,440
absolutely what what about your

1373
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:20,880
your friends over at the kids in the

1374
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:23,200
hall dave like do they know about your

1375
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:25,280
fascination with this topic what do they

1376
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,720
what do they think about it have they

1377
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:28,559
ever they brought in

1378
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,280
i think they mostly politely ignore it

1379
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:32,880
uh

1380
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,920
you know

1381
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,440
um

1382
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:37,280
i think scott thompson's probably a

1383
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,040
little bit interested in it

1384
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:41,200
more than than the other guys

1385
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:42,160
um

1386
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:42,839
you

1387
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,960
soccer

1388
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:48,559
uh

1389
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:49,920
um

1390
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,280
but yeah i don't think yeah i don't

1391
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:53,280
think uh yeah i don't think any any of

1392
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,559
those guys are particularly into the

1393
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,800
subject scott a little bit

1394
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,520
um but that's about it i think

1395
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,040
that's fair

1396
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,680
yeah eric on facebook asks what is your

1397
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:05,520
all-time favorite sketch from kids in

1398
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:06,640
the hall

1399
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:07,760
nice

1400
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:10,960
that's that's hard uh

1401
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,599
an all-time i'd say i i would

1402
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,680
i would i don't know if it's my favorite

1403
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:17,280
sketch but it's a sketch that kind of

1404
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,760
sums up the whole attitude of the group

1405
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:21,920
is a sketch called comfortable

1406
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:24,079
uh which is a sketch about two couples

1407
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,680
having a plate dinner

1408
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:27,599
conversation and after dinner the one of

1409
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:28,559
the

1410
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:33,599
starts obviously trying to uh

1411
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:36,079
seduce the uh the other man's wife

1412
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,680
and everyone just comfortably goes on to

1413
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,280
go you know surely you don't mind me

1414
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:41,119
doing this you know we're such good

1415
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,319
friends and

1416
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,880
then it

1417
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:47,040
winds up with uh scott picking up my

1418
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,599
wife played by kevin and having sex with

1419
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:51,680
her on the dining room table while i

1420
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:54,720
explained to his wife that uh you know

1421
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:56,720
that this is fine because i'm impotent

1422
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:59,920
anyway so it's a gaslighting sketch

1423
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:00,720
yeah

1424
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,520
that's kind of up to me a quin almost a

1425
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:09,839
quintessential kids in the hall sketch

1426
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,240
yeah if you can make a um if you can

1427
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,480
make an american blush and uncomfortable

1428
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:16,400
watching sketch comedy then i think

1429
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:18,400
you've done your job dave and i

1430
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:20,559
definitely was when i saw that one and

1431
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,000
then yeah because you also have the

1432
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:23,839
other layers of it being oh then that's

1433
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:25,599
really um two men on the table back

1434
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:31,829
you know so there's a layer i mean yeah

1435
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:34,400
the kind of the gender blurring that we

1436
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:36,400
did back in those those are those old

1437
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,440
shows was yeah right it was uh

1438
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,599
a big part of what i've what i i love

1439
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:43,040
about the kids in the hall was it was

1440
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:44,640
kind of just

1441
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,960
kind of kind of

1442
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:48,720
once you bought into the show itself you

1443
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:49,760
kind of

1444
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:52,800
out the window

1445
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,200
gender and sexuality were all all just

1446
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:57,920
became an amorphous cloud

1447
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:00,559
yeah i love it i love that i love that

1448
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:03,760
um dallas on facebook says you're one of

1449
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,599
my favorites dave from kids at the hall

1450
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,200
and news radio all the way up through

1451
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,599
it's zoe sunny in philadelphia uh such a

1452
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:11,839
big fan super excited for this have you

1453
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,480
ever heard of things like the big phone

1454
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:16,400
home and have you ever considered the

1455
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,720
possibility of being a part of this kind

1456
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,640
of thing with your you know your

1457
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,800
celebrity status of um trying to

1458
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:24,720
pressure either the us or canadian

1459
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:27,920
governments into uh taking this topic

1460
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:30,240
seriously

1461
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:31,599
well we were on the big phone home

1462
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:33,599
together weren't we

1463
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:35,119
the uh

1464
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,240
the podcast the live podcast louise's

1465
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:41,200
podcast was it the first time you were

1466
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:43,520
i think so with jeremy

1467
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:46,800
uh and jeremy was on there and oh yes

1468
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:48,800
that was with ufo gym

1469
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,520
yeah ufo jane yeah so i'm aware i'm

1470
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:54,319
definitely aware of it um and have had a

1471
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,599
little bit of involvement in it but i'm

1472
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,359
not i can't say that i'm deeply involved

1473
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:59,359
with it

1474
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:01,119
that's fair that is fair i mean all

1475
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:03,839
right um let's see here

1476
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:06,800
oh brian on facebook asks what are your

1477
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:09,200
thoughts on uaps as technological

1478
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:12,640
devices either known terrestrial devices

1479
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,200
extraplanetary or as terence mckenna

1480
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:17,520
referred to them as other tenants in the

1481
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:20,559
building yet to be revealed what do you

1482
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:22,240
make of these uap dave what do you think

1483
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,359
they are

1484
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:24,960
um

1485
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,200
well i think

1486
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:28,960
my main thing is i think we can't think

1487
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:31,040
of it as being one thing

1488
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:32,400
um

1489
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,119
i i think it's it's unlikely that the

1490
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:37,280
all the uap are one thing or that

1491
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:39,760
there's one source for all of the uap

1492
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:41,040
phenomena

1493
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:43,599
uh i think

1494
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:46,319
some of it is nuts and bolts craft

1495
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:47,440
um

1496
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,520
and i mean i'm gonna first off let's

1497
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:51,599
just like eliminate like put out all of

1498
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:53,920
the misidentifications and you know and

1499
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,960
frauds

1500
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,640
ignore all that the stuff that we can

1501
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:58,880
pretty much agree are are uh

1502
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:01,599
interesting cases

1503
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:02,720
um

1504
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,079
some of it might be uh

1505
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,400
some some form of uh

1506
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:12,240
conscious entities in terms of like the

1507
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:13,680
spheres that people are seeing in the

1508
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:15,280
light spheres and also just you know

1509
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:16,880
some of the uh i think some of the

1510
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:19,760
abductee abduction experiences

1511
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:21,920
might be um

1512
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:23,520
less

1513
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:25,920
physical although i do i do think most

1514
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,319
of the abduction phenomena seems to be a

1515
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,000
very physical event

1516
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,400
that happens in real time to people in

1517
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:34,319
the real world where they actually do go

1518
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:39,030
so i think it is a real physical event

1519
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:40,799
but but yeah but maybe it's you know

1520
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:43,359
like i said jacques vales long said that

1521
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:44,720
this is

1522
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:46,480
may have more to do with consciousness

1523
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:49,359
than than uh technology

1524
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,040
yeah um

1525
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,359
but i tend to think that uh at least a

1526
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,680
big component of it is technological and

1527
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:56,880
i think

1528
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:01,040
i mean the press and

1529
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:03,760
i guess the main mainstream society

1530
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:06,240
still keeps clinging to the idea that

1531
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:08,799
that well you know unidentified doesn't

1532
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:10,240
mean alien

1533
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,480
uh and it's probably you know you hear

1534
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,559
all these people coming out with zero

1535
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,720
reason to say it saying it's probably

1536
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:18,720
dark projects

1537
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:24,160
may lead to some misidentifications

1538
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:26,240
but uh

1539
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:28,960
but i i take i take the us military ads

1540
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:31,599
word that these are not ours

1541
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:34,720
these craft that they're seeing uh and

1542
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:37,119
they are not russian they are not

1543
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:39,440
chinese and also people also often will

1544
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:40,880
cling to the word drone they go well

1545
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:43,200
these are drones uh sometimes the

1546
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:44,799
military will say they seem to be drones

1547
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:47,359
but by that they mean unmanned

1548
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:50,319
uh whether by aliens or humans that the

1549
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:53,839
craft seem to be often too small

1550
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,880
to have anyone inside them so they refer

1551
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:58,400
to those as drones

1552
00:56:00,829 --> 00:56:00,160
but that is not an explanation for what

1553
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:00,839
they

1554
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,920
are um so people will go well you know i

1555
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:06,079
heard they said those triangles were

1556
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:07,280
drones

1557
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:09,119
and yes they did say that but they also

1558
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:11,119
said we don't know whose drones where

1559
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:12,960
they're from they don't function in the

1560
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:15,920
way that any drone that we know of can

1561
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:17,680
uh but they believe they were drones

1562
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:19,599
simply because of what they perceived

1563
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:22,480
the size of them to be

1564
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:24,079
um so

1565
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:24,960
uh

1566
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:29,520
so i think some of it is nuts and bolts

1567
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,680
and and i and and

1568
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:33,680
the notion that any other country has

1569
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:36,559
this technology is ludicrous

1570
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,839
um

1571
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:39,680
because i think we're we're seeing right

1572
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:42,839
now with the ukraine

1573
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,920
um how limited we are and how we can

1574
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,440
respond

1575
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:48,960
to channel the challenges of the world

1576
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,760
we live in that that basically if a if a

1577
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:53,680
nuclear armed nation decides it's going

1578
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:55,280
to do something

1579
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:57,440
we now kind of are looking at the fact

1580
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,799
of how impotent

1581
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:00,160
our

1582
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:03,680
equipment is in the face of a

1583
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:06,079
nuclear-armed belligerent

1584
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:07,920
um you know and of course people can say

1585
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,559
the same about us but um

1586
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:12,880
but here we're seeing the tragic outcome

1587
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,359
of of not being able to fight

1588
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,000
not having the tools to battle

1589
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:19,920
because we're afraid of

1590
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:20,960
of

1591
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,200
unleashing nuclear weapons

1592
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:25,200
and so as a result we have we're

1593
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:27,040
allowing

1594
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:29,839
a large country to invade in a small

1595
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:33,359
country and murder its citizens and

1596
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,599
and flatten its cities

1597
00:57:38,829 --> 00:57:37,760
and we can do nothing about it

1598
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:38,839
so

1599
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:40,799
um

1600
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:46,150
this wouldn't be happening in ukraine

1601
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:48,000
right now

1602
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:51,290
and if the russians had this technology

1603
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:53,040
[Music]

1604
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:54,799
they wouldn't be invading ukraine right

1605
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,319
now because they would have already

1606
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:58,559
taken over the whole world

1607
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:59,359
yeah

1608
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:01,119
same thing is if the chinese had this

1609
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:04,000
technology we don't you know

1610
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:07,520
we would we would be living under uh

1611
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:10,000
that hegemony of either the uh the

1612
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:11,839
chinese or the russians if they had this

1613
00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:14,960
technology and if we had this technology

1614
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:18,079
everyone would be too afraid to move

1615
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:21,200
yeah i am aligned with that you know i

1616
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:22,640
agree the stuff that's going on in

1617
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,839
russia or sort of the stuff that's going

1618
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,520
on ukraine with russia

1619
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:27,440
is a prime example of you know we know

1620
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:29,760
russia doesn't have that tech for sure

1621
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:32,240
um you know i'm still look at china i

1622
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,920
you know i'm still they have a lot of

1623
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,599
stuff that's coming out in their defense

1624
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:37,200
side with planes you know they have

1625
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:38,799
something that's similar to like an

1626
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:41,760
sr-72 or sr-71 that's been coming out i

1627
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:44,480
think just recently they released it and

1628
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,079
the tech is something that i don't even

1629
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:48,400
think we have that we know so things are

1630
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,240
happening on that side but i agree with

1631
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:52,000
you if they had it they would be they

1632
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:53,920
would be ruling the world already by now

1633
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,200
you know

1634
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:57,359
china is going that way economically so

1635
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,920
yeah and everything including uh like

1636
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:01,760
all all black projects that have become

1637
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:03,119
public

1638
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,309
the modern era

1639
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:10,640
everything that's that's gone from being

1640
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,119
top secret black money projects to

1641
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:14,880
publicly admitted

1642
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:15,680
has

1643
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:18,079
is only been incremental increases in

1644
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:19,520
technology

1645
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:22,079
uh nothing revolutionary has ever come

1646
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:23,599
out of a black project

1647
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:26,559
only slight incremental increases in

1648
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:27,760
abilities

1649
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:29,760
you know whether it's

1650
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:32,319
jets you know going from prop planes to

1651
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:36,240
jets from jets to supersonic jets

1652
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:41,349
a source of propulsion

1653
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:43,440
and lift surfaces

1654
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:45,680
and control surfaces

1655
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,480
and

1656
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:48,480
essentially there's no difference

1657
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,520
there's no

1658
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:51,920
fundamental difference between

1659
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,400
the best jets we're flying today and

1660
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:56,240
what the right brothers put up in the

1661
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:58,079
air

1662
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,319
the physics are exactly the same we're

1663
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,240
just better at we're just better at

1664
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,319
manipulating the physics than the wright

1665
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:06,319
brothers were

1666
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:09,839
um so so to think that we said that some

1667
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:11,920
somehow there's a black project that

1668
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:15,920
absolutely uh eliminates inertia

1669
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:17,440
and uh

1670
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:18,799
and

1671
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:21,760
defies the apparently defies the laws of

1672
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:22,880
physics

1673
01:00:26,829 --> 01:00:23,839
and

1674
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:28,470
um

1675
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:32,000
data is showing

1676
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:32,960
um

1677
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:35,119
so if somebody had that there would be

1678
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:36,559
no reason to spend all the money that

1679
01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:39,040
we're spending on on on on

1680
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:40,960
pumping you know jet fuel out of the

1681
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:43,200
back of a of a glider

1682
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,960
you know which is all that all that

1683
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:46,799
everything is everything we have is

1684
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:49,119
basically just a you know a paper glider

1685
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:50,720
with a better engine

1686
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:52,640
um well let's

1687
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:54,079
let's wrap up the listener questions

1688
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:55,520
here dave because we've got just a

1689
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:57,040
couple closing ones here all right if

1690
01:00:59,500 --> 01:00:58,240
you hate your listeners that's your

1691
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:59,510
business

1692
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:01,839
[Music]

1693
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:02,799
um

1694
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:06,319
let's see here a i yeah a.i mcc

1695
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:09,280
asks through email dave why do you think

1696
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:11,280
these mother efforts keep casting you

1697
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:13,599
for your voice rolls when your face is

1698
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:16,400
clearly the golden ticket

1699
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,960
best question ever

1700
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:20,960
i don't know well first off i don't

1701
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:23,040
share your fondness or my face

1702
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:25,119
and i've never understood i've never

1703
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:26,799
understood people's fondness from my

1704
01:01:30,549 --> 01:01:27,839
voice

1705
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:30,559
uh i i've always uh like like most

1706
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:32,000
people i think i hate the sound of my

1707
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,160
own voice and when i hear it recorded i

1708
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:36,240
go my god why would anyone hire someone

1709
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:39,359
that sounds like that um but

1710
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:41,760
but i've i've come to realize over the

1711
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:44,160
years that uh that apparently i have a

1712
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:46,160
distinctive voice

1713
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:47,839
and i learned years ago that it's a very

1714
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:50,720
i'm almost impossible to impersonate

1715
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:52,319
oh wow which is interesting because i

1716
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:53,839
remember disney at one point tried to

1717
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:56,400
hire someone to impersonate me for uh

1718
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:57,599
for the uh

1719
01:02:01,589 --> 01:02:00,559
the bugs land uh at the california

1720
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:01,599
adventure

1721
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:04,640
they tried to hire someone and uh my my

1722
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:06,559
my friend john lasseter

1723
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:08,720
the genius john lasseter heard this

1724
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:10,720
recording of somebody trying to sound

1725
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,880
like me but that's not dave what what's

1726
01:02:15,029 --> 01:02:13,920
what

1727
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:15,039
and

1728
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:20,240
that they uh they hire me to do it which

1729
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,160
makes sense yeah unless you hire the

1730
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:24,000
original person yeah i remember you

1731
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:26,960
telling me a story dave about um you

1732
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:28,720
doing an audition for it and they were

1733
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:29,440
like

1734
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:35,760
yeah you tell the story better it's your

1735
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:37,200
story yeah it was one of the things well

1736
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:39,599
first i got i originally i was going to

1737
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:41,200
audition for the part of the stick

1738
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:43,839
insect that david hyde pierce played uh

1739
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,520
but i got bumped the day of the

1740
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:47,520
auditions because carol burnett came in

1741
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:48,720
and i you know they said do you mind

1742
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:50,720
carol burnett's here and of course

1743
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:51,520
yes

1744
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:52,880
carol burnett

1745
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:56,000
she's she's she's yes she's royalty of

1746
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:57,280
course you take care of burnett before

1747
01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:59,039
you take me and so i had to go back to

1748
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:00,799
work at news radio and then they felt

1749
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:02,880
guilty about bumping me

1750
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:05,839
uh because that's what kind of people uh

1751
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:07,839
you know the pixar people are and so

1752
01:03:13,029 --> 01:03:10,960
they let me come in to read for uh

1753
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:13,039
the the flick character instead and i

1754
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:15,359
think they were just doing it to be nice

1755
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:16,640
uh but they liked what i was doing so

1756
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:18,319
much so that as we were talking they

1757
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:19,760
started reshaping the character and

1758
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:21,200
going yeah well the way he's doing it

1759
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,319
yeah the character could do this and

1760
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:24,000
this and this based on based on what i

1761
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:25,599
was doing in the audition and at one

1762
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:27,599
point i had to stop them and say guys

1763
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:30,960
you haven't hired me yet

1764
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:34,000
and they went right right yes well we'll

1765
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:36,400
we'll be getting back to you

1766
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:37,920
right

1767
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:39,280
you know

1768
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:41,599
when they're yeah they're molding the

1769
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:44,160
character around you during an audition

1770
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:46,240
that's a good sign they were rewriting

1771
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:53,430
insert dave foley's face now and voice

1772
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:54,799
and that's that's my whole my whole

1773
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:56,079
history of that company is that they

1774
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:57,359
just they don't function like other

1775
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,960
companies they just they're just all

1776
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:00,480
about the art and all about just

1777
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,799
pursuing whatever ideas excite them

1778
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:04,720
which is beautiful you know it's good to

1779
01:04:07,829 --> 01:04:06,240
hear yeah the fact that they've made

1780
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:07,839
billions of dollars doing that is pretty

1781
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:09,200
remarkable

1782
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:11,039
yeah yeah it definitely says something

1783
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:14,240
um well dave hope hope for the future we

1784
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:16,480
all need it right now in so many

1785
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:19,039
different ways um but especially with

1786
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:22,240
the ufo topic um what do you hope for in

1787
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:24,880
2022 when it comes to this topic of ufos

1788
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:27,119
uap we've come a long way in the past

1789
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:28,720
couple years but there's still a long

1790
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:31,440
way to go um what do you hope and what

1791
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:33,359
should we focus on i'm hoping we get to

1792
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:35,599
the point where uh whatever whatever it

1793
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:37,200
is that uh

1794
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:39,200
louis elizondo

1795
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,400
uh

1796
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:42,720
clearly wants us to know he knows

1797
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:44,960
but that he can't tell us

1798
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:47,119
and he keeps hinting at i'm i'm hoping

1799
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:48,079
that

1800
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:52,720
can hear what those those facts are and

1801
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:55,200
i've also heard how put off

1802
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:57,039
intimate uh

1803
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:58,720
that there's there's

1804
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:01,440
some really much there's some really big

1805
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:04,079
stuff that we don't know yet that that

1806
01:05:07,589 --> 01:05:05,680
is known

1807
01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:07,599
so i would love it if those knowns

1808
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:09,680
because it's still going to be mystery i

1809
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:10,799
think

1810
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:12,880
but i'd love to have those knowns

1811
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:15,680
those unknown those known

1812
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:17,039
those things that some that someone

1813
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:19,440
knows be something that we can all know

1814
01:05:24,069 --> 01:05:20,400
and

1815
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:24,079
also have to look at ukraine

1816
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:27,359
and for the people who think that the uh

1817
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:31,920
that the phenomenon is here to save us

1818
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:32,799
uh

1819
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:34,400
you can look at the ukraine and go

1820
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,079
pretty clearly that's not something

1821
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:38,640
they're interested in doing

1822
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,799
you know because we're you know we're

1823
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:42,640
standing by and watching this because we

1824
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:44,079
have nuclear weapons and because they

1825
01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:46,079
have nuclear weapons

1826
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:47,839
and and because we're all addicted to

1827
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:48,880
oil

1828
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:50,559
um

1829
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:52,319
and so those those two things our

1830
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:54,240
addiction to oil and our fear of nuclear

1831
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:55,119
war

1832
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:55,920
are

1833
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:57,440
forcing

1834
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:00,160
all of us nato allies to basically sit

1835
01:06:05,589 --> 01:06:02,480
on our hands and and

1836
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:05,599
and wave a finger at russia

1837
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:08,240
and uh and the uh

1838
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:09,920
the aliens aren't gonna aren't gonna

1839
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:11,280
stop it

1840
01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:14,160
history yet to be written well i mean on

1841
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:16,880
a brighter note dave i i you know

1842
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:18,880
hopefully there's things we can look

1843
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:20,160
forward to

1844
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:21,839
um while

1845
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:23,680
you know they're there always should be

1846
01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:26,319
and we we hope humans can be resilient

1847
01:06:31,589 --> 01:06:29,119
enough to do such but um in terms of

1848
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:31,599
what you're doing my man you you are

1849
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:34,319
helping to legitimize a topic that has

1850
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:37,280
been delegitimized for a very long time

1851
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:42,710
yeah comedians

1852
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:45,359
have done a huge amount of damage

1853
01:06:50,069 --> 01:06:48,240
yeah yeah yeah but it's never too late

1854
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,079
to rebuild and i think we're on our way

1855
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:52,640
when it comes to this topic and um i

1856
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:54,480
gotta ask before we go

1857
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:56,640
when can we expect to see

1858
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:58,799
the kids in the hall and um everything

1859
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,640
else you're up to man if you don't mind

1860
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:02,240
teasing well well the new kids in the

1861
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:04,319
whole season this is how we're referring

1862
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:06,000
to it is season six of the kids in the

1863
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:07,680
hall uh

1864
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:09,920
it's gonna start on amazon in may i

1865
01:07:14,069 --> 01:07:11,760
don't know the exact date but it's gonna

1866
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:14,079
be sometime in may uh there's also going

1867
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:17,520
to be a south by southwest and uh nice

1868
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:19,599
just i guess just in a matter of days

1869
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:20,960
now

1870
01:07:23,589 --> 01:07:22,559
uh we're going over going to south by

1871
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:23,599
southwest

1872
01:07:26,789 --> 01:07:24,799
because they're going to premiere a

1873
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:26,799
two-part documentary that's going to be

1874
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:29,119
on amazon as well uh called i think it's

1875
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:30,640
called kids in the hall

1876
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:32,400
uh comedy punks

1877
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:33,359
uh

1878
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:34,880
yeah although i like the original title

1879
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:37,280
better that amazon wouldn't go for which

1880
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:43,109
which is a reference to one of our very

1881
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:44,799
early sketches where we had a line about

1882
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:47,440
a guy easy to beat up hard to kill

1883
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:51,510
but uh uh yeah but it's i think it's

1884
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:54,559
called comedy punks now and uh it's a

1885
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:56,400
two-part documentary

1886
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:57,119
on

1887
01:08:02,069 --> 01:08:01,039
that's awesome i'm looking forward to

1888
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:02,079
that

1889
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:05,839
me too me too um awesome dave well for

1890
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:07,280
before we go

1891
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:09,359
is there any where people can reach you

1892
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:12,960
to chat ufos or or just have a have a

1893
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:14,960
good old conversation with you

1894
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:16,799
i guess really just twitter i guess

1895
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:19,279
really i'm you know i'm there a lot you

1896
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:20,560
know

1897
01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:22,239
uh

1898
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:25,359
guess there's nowhere else really mostly

1899
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,199
twitter i'm on instagram but i i rarely

1900
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:29,520
look at it um

1901
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:31,839
and facebook never i i only i only have

1902
01:08:36,390 --> 01:08:34,050
facebook so my oculus works

1903
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:36,400
[Laughter]

1904
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:38,560
yeah i know the feeling well yeah it's

1905
01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:41,279
amazing how quickly facebook has become

1906
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:44,560
a a relic now in the age of twitter

1907
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:46,159
and speaking of my oculus here's a

1908
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:47,199
little

1909
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:49,600
tip for people out there and like the uh

1910
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:51,199
if you're out there in one of them sort

1911
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:53,920
of chat areas in virtual reality

1912
01:09:01,749 --> 01:08:56,640
and you run into someone like me

1913
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:02,550
uh

1914
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:03,679
really

1915
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,080
yeah you know as we get oh man you're

1916
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:07,920
old you're all this [\h__\h]

1917
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:10,640
and that's rude yeah yeah i said well i

1918
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:13,040
was pretty honest with my avatar

1919
01:09:16,229 --> 01:09:14,239
you know

1920
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:16,239
god i'm trying to hide it i got my

1921
01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:26,630
well we'll see in the metaverse that's

1922
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:28,400
where we're going to see it next yes

1923
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:30,799
that's where we're heading yeah for sure

1924
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:32,560
yeah we don't get to touch on simulation

1925
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,880
theory

1926
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:36,719
we didn't go there we'll have to have

1927
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,799
you back to talk about it we've you've

1928
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:40,640
been more than gracious with your time

1929
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:43,120
my man so once again

1930
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:44,799
thank you thank you so much for coming

1931
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:46,640
on somewhere in the skies today thank

1932
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:48,159
you thank you so much and again i

1933
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:49,600
continue to enjoy both your work

1934
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:51,839
separately and it's really fun to see

1935
01:09:59,740 --> 01:09:53,359
you guys working together

1936
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:08,070
[Music]

1937
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:10,080
so